erdős #1038 · the supremum side · teorth/erdosproblems #179

How shallow can a lemniscate stay?

On 16 December 2025 Tao reformulated Erdős #1038 over discrete probability measures, asked for the supremum of |{U_μ < 0}|, and conjectured 2√2 — “this may be hard to prove completely.” Within the week the problem's forum had a proof, written up by Tao with its equality case. For rational weights the question is about root-constrained polynomials, decidable degree by degree; this machine re-decided degrees 3 to 8 in exact arithmetic, sharing no idea and no code with the proof: the odd ones stay below 2.82, and the even ones are placed in [2√2, 2.82845]. Re-decisions of a known theorem, not progress on it.

A known theorem, re-decided. That |{U_μ < 0}| ≤ 2√2 for every probability measure on [−1,1], with the two-atom measure the only case of equality, is Theorem 2.1 of Tao's notes of December 2025; erdosproblems.com/1038 records sup = 2√2 and google-deepmind/formal-conjectures marks erdos_1038.parts.ii “research solved”. The per-degree certificates below neither use nor replace it. Until 2026-10-05 this page called the supremum an open conjecture; that was wrong. Every number on this page is a certified outward enclosure recomputed at this build; nothing is decided in floating point. Not peer-reviewed.

tl;dr
  • The finding. For every monic polynomial of degree 3, 5 or 7 with all roots in [−1,1]: |{|q|<1}| < 2.82 < 2√2 — an explicit margin under the supremum. That each odd degree falls strictly below 2√2 already follows from Tao's equality clause; the 2.82 is what the certificates add. For degrees 4, 6 and 8: the degree supremum lies in [2√2, 2.82845], the left end attained by (x²−1)^{N/2} — 2.3×10⁻⁵ weaker than the theorem, which gives exactly 2√2.
  • The mechanism. Rational weights with denominator N make U_μ < 0 exactly |q(x)| < 1 for a monic degree-N polynomial with roots in [−1,1]. Sublevel measures are certified by BigInt Sturm isolation of the boundary roots; a branch-and-bound over root boxes prunes with the pointwise bound |q_r(x)| ≥ Π dist(x, I_i), whose own sublevel measure is computed the same way and equals the true measure on thin boxes.
  • Check it. node tools/run-sublevel-campaign.js re-derives everything; node instruments/sublevel/battery.js re-proves the degree-3 theorem and the degree-4 localization at every run, in under a second, plus 3 red controls.
per-degree theorems
6
Degrees 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 — each a branch-and-bound certificate tree over all root configurations.
the witness
2√2
x²−1: certified [2.8284271247, 2.8284271247] — the two-atom measure, the only maximizer by Tao's theorem.
box certificates
66,676
Across all theorems; the cubic needed 127 boxes, the heaviest even degree carries the rest.
configurations swept
838
Certified grid champions behind the landscape story, before any theorem was attempted.
§1 · the problem

The other end of #1038

Erdős #1038 asks how small, and how large, the sublevel set of a polynomial with constrained roots can be. Its infimum side is still open on the problem page: three AI-assisted proof claims of 2026 report the same constant, none examined by the site, and this lab independently verified the computational fragment of one of them (Darvas–Peng–Tao) and brackets the infimum unconditionally. In erdosproblems#179 (16 December 2025), Tao posed the other end: over discrete probability measures μ = Σ pᵢ δ_{aᵢ} on [−1,1], with logarithmic potential U_μ(x) = Σ pᵢ log|x − aᵢ|, how LARGE can |{x : U_μ(x) < 0}| be?

His conjecture: the supremum is 2√2, attained by the uniform measure on {−1, +1} — and “this may be hard to prove completely.” It was proved within the week, in the problem's forum thread: on 21 December 2025 Tao posted a write-up completing the proof (AlphaEvolve proposed the weights for one regime), two participants confirmed it the same day, and his notes (27 December 2025, Theorem 2.1) state it with its equality case: L(μ) ≥ 2√2 forces μ = ½δ₋₁ + ½δ₁. The problem page records sup = 2√2; formal-conjectures marks erdos_1038.parts.ii “research solved”, proved in Tao's notes. This campaign (2026-09-01) was framed on the GitHub issue, which had no replies; the forum's resolution predates it.

p = k⁄N rational ⟹ U_μ(x) < 0 ⟺ |q(x)| < 1,   q(x) = Π (x − aᵢ)^{kᵢ} monic, roots in [−1,1]

So the theorem, restricted to rational weights of denominator N, is a statement about degree-N polynomials — a finite-dimensional object that exact arithmetic can decide degree by degree, without the potential theory. That is what this page re-decides: a second route to statements already known, not a new one.

§2 · the instrument

Sublevel measures, certified

The boundary of {|q| < 1} consists of roots of the integer polynomials A ∓ dᴺ (A the root-scaled form of q). Those are isolated and refined by the BigInt Sturm machinery of the trigmin instrument — the code calibrated on Mercer's closed forms in the λ(4) campaign — and each gap between boundary roots is decided by one exact rational comparison. The measure is summed outward: a true enclosure, never a float.

polynomialcertified measure of {|q|<1}exact value
x² − 1[2.828427124746, 2.828427124747]2√2 = 2.8284271247…
x²[1.999999999999, 2.000000000000]2
x[2.000000000000, 2.000000000001]2
(x−1)²[2.000000000000, 2.000000000001]2
(x²−1)²[2.828427124745, 2.828427124746]2√2 again — even powers of the witness keep it

The last row is why even degrees are different: powers of the witness keep its measure, so (x²−1)^{N/2} attains 2√2 at every even degree, and no even degree can fall strictly below 2√2 the way the odd ones do.

§3 · the landscape

An interior champion, and a cliff

2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2√2 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1.0 the free root r (remaining roots pinned at ±1; quintic pins them double) 2√2 — the supremum (Tao, December 2025) cubic (x²−1)(x−r) quintic (x²−1)²(x−r)
Both curves are certified enclosures recomputed at this build (the plotted value is the upper endpoint; widths are below picture resolution). The cubic family's best certified value is at an INTERIOR root — 2.754173 at r = 201/256 — not at a lattice point. The quintic family peaks at 2.801091 near r = 905/1024 and then descends steeply but continuously (for fixed degree the measure is continuous in the roots): a local maximum of |q| inside the sublevel interval crosses 1, a gap opens and widens, and {|q|<1} becomes two intervals. Until 2026-10-05 this caption called the descent a discontinuous drop where two components merge; both were wrong. The odd-degree families climb toward 2√2 without reaching it, as Tao's equality clause requires.
§4 · the certificates

Six degrees, re-decided

degreecertified statementboxesdepthtime
N = 3every degree-3 polynomial stays below 2.82 < 2√2 — an explicit margin under the supremum127160.0 sstrict
N = 4the degree supremum lies in [2√2, 2.82845]; (x²−1)^2 attains the left end (the theorem gives exactly 2√2)549590.1 slocalized
N = 5every degree-5 polynomial stays below 2.82 < 2√2 — an explicit margin under the supremum1,583370.2 sstrict
N = 6the degree supremum lies in [2√2, 2.82845]; (x²−1)^3 attains the left end (the theorem gives exactly 2√2)4,219890.6 slocalized
N = 7every degree-7 polynomial stays below 2.82 < 2√2 — an explicit margin under the supremum28,773638.8 sstrict
N = 8the degree supremum lies in [2√2, 2.82845]; (x²−1)^4 attains the left end (the theorem gives exactly 2√2)31,4251185.7 slocalized

Each row quantifies over EVERY root configuration in [−1,1]ᴺ — collisions and multiplicities included — through the ordered-and-mirrored branch-and-bound: a box is closed when the certified measure of {Π dist(x, Iᵢ) < 1} falls below the threshold, and that bound equals the true measure on thin boxes (a battery check). In measure language: every discrete probability measure on [−1,1] whose weights have denominator 3, 5 or 7 satisfies |{U_μ < 0}| < 2.82; for denominators 4, 6 and 8, the certified upper end is within 2.3×10⁻⁵ of 2√2 — weaker than Tao's theorem, which gives exactly 2√2 there, reached by an unrelated route.

not decided

deg9: bnb: box budget exhausted — recorded as attempted and refused, not silently dropped. Its answer is known from the theorem; the refusal is the instrument's budget, not an open question.

§5 · what this is

The honest boundary